Talk:2012-01-01-Clarification of Growing Tired
From: Robert Davis To: List Op Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [ 11:11 Progress List ] -- The Damascus Scribe -- Clarification of ‘Growing Tired’
Hello George-
Of the Urantia papers, only paper 56 is written, in part, by Machiventa, and in it, I cannot locate the reference cited in the first sentence of this lesson. Can you advise as to what I am overlooking?
Gratefully,
Rob
Hi Rob,
You're right, it's not MM but a Solitary Messenger. Paper 109.
P1199:5, 109:5.4 The great problem of life is the adjustment of the ancestral tendencies of living to the demands of the spiritual urges initiated by the divine presence of the Mystery Monitor. While in the universe and superuniverse careers no man can serve two masters, in the life you now live on Urantia every man must perforce serve two masters. He must become adept in the art of a continuous human temporal compromise while he yields spiritual allegiance to but one master; and this is why so many falter and fail, grow weary and succumb to the stress of the evolutionary struggle.
God bless... George. --rdavis 02:40, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
Thank you George!
This raises a couple of other questions that if you might address, I will appreciate it.
1) Is the "clarification of growing tired" offered in response to a question in yours or another's mind regarding Mansion World ascenders who opt out of further growth given the textual reference of paper 109 does not refer to personality extinction but terrestrial mortals who "succumb to the stress of the evolutionary struggle". - or
2) Is the lesson a clarification of a previous lesson on the topic of morontia ascenders who opt to choose extinction? If so, would you identify it for me?
Your thoughts will be much appreciated.
Gratefully,
Rob
Hi Rob,
1) Is the "clarification of growing tired" offered in response to a question in yours or another's mind regarding Mansion World ascenders who opt out of further growth given the textual reference of paper 109 does not refer to personality extinction but terrestrial mortals who "succumb to the stress of the evolutionary struggle". -
I channel just about every day and we have Sunny, Chris, Valdir, Yoela, Lytske and Gabriella -- thousands of transmits on tapes, CD's and emails, but you're right. It was MM who spoke to us here about a subscriber, Frederick M., who about 3 months ago spoke about tiredness.
No, it's not in the text under MM, even though I was sure it was.
F.M. had his house foreclosed on, wife divorced, 401K stolen, and his bank account frozen. It was too much. He attempted suicide. Luckily failed.
The possibility of growing tired on Mansonia One, especially, appears to be a 'promise'. :o(
2) Is the lesson a clarification of a previous lesson on the topic of morontia ascenders who opt to choose extinction? If so, would you identify it for me?
I see it all more as follow up on:
Illawarra District, Australia, November 18, 2011, Mansion World Carer, Subject: Universe Efficiency..
Thanks George! I have added this correspondence to the Discussion page of the record.--rdavis 04:39, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
